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ESA was stillborn, not sure why it was signed in the first place. $5000 does nothing for actual school choice because private school is 4x that. $5000 only benefits those who can already afford private school.The "best" case scenario would be for a bunch of $5000/year private schools to pop up which I guarantee would be no better than public.
Private school is not 20k a year. 9-12k,yes. So 5000 does help people. That makes it 500 a month they have to put together to make their kids education better. In addition, schools will open to fill the need. The reason private schools are better is not the money, rather it is parents actually care. This is the same reason Charter schools work and certain public schools work. When parents care the kids do well.
I agree parents are a big part. But "open to fill the need" is a nightmare scenario for me. It's a way to funnel public money into private hands for untested results.
Private school ranges from 11k and up in my research and that is K-6. Unless it is religious I suppose and then in theory it is already subsidized by the government in the form of tax breaks.
Lawyer Bird, as opposed to funneling public money into public schools for consistently sub-par results. Stick with the devil you know and all, I guess.
Tuition to attend The Meadows School for the 2015-16 school year is $9,635 (half-day)/$15,500 (full-day) for Beginning School (Pre-K), $17,740 for Lower School (grades K-5), $19,780 for Middle School (grades 6-8), and $25,775 for Upper School (grades 9-12).
Alexander Dawson tuition2016-17 TUITION & FEESEarly Childhood, Half Day $11,800Early Childhood, Full Day $15,700Kindergarten $22,300First $22,300Second $22,300Third $22,300Fourth $22,300Fifth $23,000Sixth $23,000Seventh $23,000Eighth $23,000
That is fucking insane. I am better of just moving into a better part of town and going to a halfway decent public high school like Green Valley or Coronado.
Both Meadows and Dawson are secular.
I'll put my public-school educated kids up against private students any day. What an insane waste of money. Your kids outcome in school and in life is all about your involvement as their parents. Do you give them enough love, discipline and attention? No amount of elite private schooling will compensate for or augment that. Better to save that money and use it to send them to a good state school where they can get a real, marketable degree with real, marketable skills.
Private school tuition serves the same purpose as Ivy League education: Making the relationships with the elite and future-elite. I have a friend who got a new CEO on their job. Within 2 years, nearly every other member of executive management was someone who'd gone to school with the new CEO.
This had nothing to do with school choice.
ESA was the first step to improving education in Nevada; charter schools taking over failing public schools is another step; de-centralizing the Clark County School District is one more. But each is demonized. Why? Why is out-of-the-box solutions somehow always wrong? If a private school is promised $5,000 per student, then private SECULAR schools will open and likely flourish because unhampered by much of the CCSD and teacher union restrictions, $5,000 is valuable. Also, the competition will force those schools to be better than public.We can't just keep throwing more money at public education. If you don't support the ESA, charter schools, and de-centralization, then what is your solution?
That's one reeeeally big assumption there - that we actually throw money at public education in Nevada. The numbers show otherwise. So, the question is whether we're better off putting the ESA money or any other money into public education (yes, increasing funding so we are no longer near the bottom of every education spending list), or are we better off with something like the ESA. That's a legitimate debate, but don't blow smoke by saying that we have been throwing money at this problem. We haven't.
I was a teacher in an Edison school in another career. Edison partnered with several failing Clark County schools in order to raise test scores. Guess what... Edison's policies didn't produce better results and Edison is gone. So I'm a little tired of hearing that charter schools will magically fix failing public schools. I wish there was a magic fix, but complicated issues need complex solutions.
@11:54AM, the comment, "We can't just keep throwing more money at public education" was not intended to mean that this is what we now, and have been doing. It was intended to prempt the all too common proposed "solution" to fixing education - spend more.@12:21PM - You're tired? Well I'm tired of consistently failing public school with a public and administration that is pessimistic about any change, innovation, or problem-solving. Although I am not familiar with the Edison program you mention, its failure does not speak for all charter programs, as you know. One failure, if it was one, should not foreclose charter schools as a whole. And you are correct, charter schools are not a magical fix, but they are one tool in the toolbox that our failing public school system should utilize.
11:54 here. How else were we to read that? "Keep throwing" means we've been throwing. We can't keep doing x means we've been doing x. So, what you said is not the same thing as "we can't throw more money at public schools" and to say that's what you meant is BS. Nice backpedal though. But you asked if people who don't support the ESA program have another solution. Here's one. We can't just keep failing to properly fund our public education system, as evidenced by the fact that Nevada is consistently in the bottom handful of states in per capita education funding.
11:54/4:19's only solution is to properly fund our public education system (i.e., spend more). Didn't you just make 10:54/3:25's point?
ESA would work exactly like college tuition support works. Extra $5,000 per year for tuition support=$5,000 price increase.
Belated election comments. Does this election bury once and for all Bruce Gale? Bruce give it up. Please recognize that you will never get elected judge. Anat Levy, will you please pack up your tent and go back to California. Thank you.
Please, Anat Levy, run again. Please anyone run again against Hardy or Johnson. Both suck.
That is years away. We are stuck with both.
I know, I voted. Did my part. We need more attorneys to run against sitting judges. I was encouraged that Johnson only received 56%, and the appellate courts in this state received 30% none of these candidates.
2:58 PM--Eric Johnson winning 56 per cent is a "LANDSLIDE". Anything over 51 per cent is considered decisive. Johnson beat Levy by over 12 points. What are you smoking? Levy got 35 per cent just being on the ballot plus she got another 4 per cent being first on the ballot and another 4 to 5 points for the female gender vote. There you have it. She had nice signs and got them out early. That was her campaign.
4:25, your comment just discredited yourself. This is why I voted for neither of these candidates.
For some Thanksgiving week inanity (or insanity depending on your perspective), look at NSC Case 68880 against Geraldine Kirk-Hughes. This month was a motion a day for awhile, including motions filed pursuant to the Nevada Rules of Civil Procedure (pretty sure those do not apply at the appellate level). But just off-the-rails stuff.
She is an awful person and a liar. Litigating against her is hell. Can't wait for her to lose her license.
Only if you can identify the pictures with a palm tree in it. Or a storefront. Ridiculous waste of time to put the captachas there. Ridiculous.
Yeah, is downloading public documents by "computers" such a bad thing? What the hell are they thinking? But yeah, this woman is nuts
One of the bigger issues you guys are missing out on regarding the crap education in public schools is how the money is collected and distributed: Each county pays taxes into the State's general fund, and out of that fund the money goes to the school districts. As you can guess, Clark and Washoe are the biggest contributors to the State General fund, but receive less than what they give for their respective school districts. Also, the small counties actually pay their teachers more as an incentive to work in their godforsaken counties. The smaller counties also have a small student to teacher ratio (like 18:1) whereas Clark county has a much higher ratio (like 33:1). So the smaller counties essentially pay less taxes to the general fund, get more money, pay their teacher more to teach less amount of students. If that is not fucked then tell me what is. Now while I am a (moderate) liberal and understand the need for redistribution of funds, this is just asinine to me. It is very clear our bigger counties is where the future of our state is and by fucking it over to save the smaller counties (that mostly make their money on brothels and some mining) is just not a viable way of funding our schools. we need to address that first and foremost before addressing the other issues. otherwise we will have have shitty results
This is how almost every red state operates.
Explains why education is so fucked in all of them then.
Welcome, sir, to the Republican Party. We know you'll like it here.