Monday, January 7, 2013

Finding Legal Jobs in Las Vegas

Let's start talking about jobs. It's clear from the comments that this is a major topic of concern, so let's start with the basics. In other words, before we get into salary and benefits, let's discuss where to find jobs. I know some of you may be upset if we reveal your sources of job listings, but just remember that the more under-qualified resumes an employer sees in response to a listing, the more impressive your resume will appear to be. Thus, this only helps you. Also, we want this blog to be a resource for the legal community, so help a sister/brother out and spill the beans on where to find the jobs. The following is a list of some resources, please suggest others in the comments:

1. Talk to people you know. This one is a line of crap from the OCS offices. No one you know ever gets you a job, unless his name is "Daddy." The most others usually do is tell you about a place to send your resume. You can certainly email your resume to people you know, but it will generally be a wasted effort other than to let them know you're looking. Some of your best chances are to apply to posted jobs. That said, leave no stone unturned and take advantage of every leg up you're given. 

2. UNLV OCS. Primarily for UNLV alum. Probably not too many jobs you cannot find elsewhere. Talk to a Boyd grad and they'll hook you up.

3. NVBar.org. Click on "For Lawyers," then "Find a Job."Or just click here. This is a good source, but tends to be lightly populated--probably because employers have to pay to post listings here.

4. Lasvegas.Craigslist.org/lgl.  Pretty self explanatory. Use your brain when applying to jobs here. According to our sources, some of these listings are just other job seekers trying to find out the going rate.

5. Indeed.com. This site is probably the best aggregator of legal jobs. It usually picks up the jobs posted on nvbar.org and from the RJ as well as many other sources. 

6. Clark County jobs. This is where you will find postings for District Attorney/County jobs.

7. http://hr.nv.gov/Sections/Recruitment/Unclassified-Non-Classified_Positions/. This is a list of Nevada State unclassified jobs, i.e. Supreme Court clerk jobs, administrative attorney jobs, etc. 

8. Usajobs.com The Federal government's jobs website. 

9. Recruiters. This is a hit and miss source of jobs. While we appreciate their service (and involvement in the comments of many posts here), recruiters are not always the answer. When you go through a recruiter, the firm hiring you is going to be paying them a handsome fee. What does that mean for your salary? Recruiters cannot do much for first years, it is just a fact of life. Firms do not generally pay people to find them brand new attorneys. Once you have a few years under your belt and perhaps a book of business, recruiters can be useful. Go ahead and send your resume to recruiters though. The worst that can happen is they will let you know about jobs for which you may qualify. 

10. ??? What else? Let us know in the comments.

16 comments:

  1. Number 1 is truth. I've never obtained a job through cold-calling or randomly submitting resumes. I have obtained multiple jobs from knowing someone who knew someone on the inside. You don't have to personally know the person at the firm, but just having a way for your resume to end up on top of the stack helps immensely. Hell, that's the entire premise of the legal recruiting business.

    Then it's all up to you to nail the interview.

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  2. In an amazing bit of coincidence, the Young Lawyer Section of the NV Bar just started their Annual Compensation Survey. If you're under 36 or have been licensed for less then 5 years, do a solid for your fellow young lawyer and fill out the survey. Results come out in June.

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  3. Your list doesn't include all the casino company websites. Although their listings usually end up on other sites as well, sometimes you'll see in-house listings at Wynnjobs or MGM, etc.

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  4. Our firm is looking for an associate and put word out on the street (Facebook, Craigslist, etc.--you know free places to notify people to send their huddled masses to us). Total responses in three weeks: 0

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  5. 11:12-- Did your firm put its name on the postings? I know this has come up here before, but when the firm does not identify itself, I tend not to send my resume despite my interest.

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  6. This topic is always a good conversation, but even more so in tough times.

    Number 1 - I would add that an applicant should send their resume to the proper recruiting partner or administrator in a firm and put the personal acquaintance as a reference. Back before I became persona non grata at Boyd, I always advised in my annual lecture don't use your friends to get you into the door, only as a reference, other wise you're asking them to do double duty and just being the reference is stress enough on your friendship. Use a recruiter to open the door, or if a recruiter doesn't see you as readily wrappable meat, approach the door yourself.

    Number 9 - Always be aware that a recruiter, especially the Shark Pimp, does this for the same reason Gordon Gecko shuffles paper - for the money. Even a legal recruiter who is bound by an ethics code won't be able to help you if you're not sufficiently in demand to justify a fee. As a general rule, if you're not three years out, a recruiter can't sell you. After that, it depends. I do make the occasional Associate placement, usually from 4-7 years out, if the need for the skill set is high enough. IP can also be another exception, including Patent Agents. Otherwise, in most cases, book becomes crucial.

    Now this part is important. My experience is that if a firm is willing to pay a fee out of the gate, then at that point a fee versus non-fee candidate makes little or no difference. So balance that against what a recruiter can offer. But legal recruiters are not employment agencies and we can't help a lot of attorneys.

    Good hunting to all.

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  7. 11:32,

    Give info here, and I guaran-damn-tee you will get plenty of bites.

    Know your audience.

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  8. Shark Pimp,

    How did you become persona non-grata at Boyd?

    They are idiots for not tapping into your wisdom, especially in this market, and especially given that Boyd's employment score is a paltry and pathetic 63%.

    http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=nv

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  9. 11:12- Was your posting on Craigslist one of those anonymous ones that does not identify the firm? I've pretty much stopped applying to posts where I can't figure out the firm. Can't risk it getting back to my boss in case it is one of her friends.

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  10. January 9, 2013 11:01 PM - The original group that used to invite me each year was the Student Business Law Society. It made sense and the people who showed up were by and large looking for what I had to say. Student groups merged, faded out of existence, re-shuffled and it became the Student Bar Association that took over hosting my annual pizza fest.

    One year there was apparently an SBA Prez who was, let's just say, "not a big private sector cheerleader". Didn't like my to the point, greedy, money oriented, commentary, which I assume was perceived as flippant, or worse capitalist. And, let's see, probably a few other minor things such as my constant criticisms of Dean White, my constant criticisms of the complete lack of clinics in the school that had any orientation to the for-profit sector such to the point that you'd think Boyd was in downtown Havana, my constant criticisms of the school for not cutting back the size of entering classes during a recession (I'm thinking some faculty influence may have seeped in here), etc.

    What else? Being a Republican Party official, coming off sounding like a scene from Gordon Gecko or Boiler Room, and, oh yeah, probably having the politically incorrect nick name of "The Shark Pimp" didn't help either.

    My calls went unanswered and students had to buy their own pizza. I was history.

    I am so hoping Nancy Rapoport's appointment as Interim Dean becomes permanent.

    January 10, 2013 9:00 AM - Wise move. Unless it's brokered by a third party like a recruiter or your law school placement office, I always advise attorneys to avoid a blind ad. Here's a thought, perhaps the State Bar could offer such a service to attorneys.

    Nah, that's never gonna happen...

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  11. I think it's hard for 1Ls ans 2Ls to really comprehend that all lawyers don't make tons of money and, in fact, many Boyd attorneys are never able to land lucrative jobs at all. We all grew up thinking lawyers are rich. Additionally, Shark Pimp is a money-first guy, and I could see a 1L or 2L being turned off. It's possible that the combination of the two rubbed someone the wrong way.

    In addition, Shark Pimp openly admits he's not much use for a junior attorney or law student as far as placements go. Perhaps law students didn't see the value in sitting in on a speach by someone who can't help him for years down the road.

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  12. I actually attended a Shark Pimp speech in my first year -- and I think I went back in my second year too. Definitely learned some things. It's too bad the current students aren't going to get that chance. Maybe you need to hook up with one of the clubs that's more lined up with the Gekko spirit. Business Law Society maybe?

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  13. I'd say half of the events by student orgs don't really help law students or associates in their first or second year (Cowboy Poetry by Al Marquis, anyone?). Doesn't mean they shouldn't do them to have SOMETHING to look forward to other than tedious doc review and CD litigation.

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  14. Curious, why the dislike for Dean white?

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  15. Lawblogs.com isnt a bad one, but I think they require you to pay

    Other places i've seen openings are on simplyhired, monster and zip recruiter. These are usually for legal positions with a large company, and not a firm

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  16. Would you still attend law school today knowing you wouls have over $239K student loan debt when you got out????????

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